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Thomas Heckler
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You can't reduce it to a mathematical equation. Vader + Yoda + Han Solo = diluted sacrifice. It makes no sense to look at it like that. Han Solo was always a paper-thin character, he really only had his luck, for him to die for such a noble cause should have been his last hooray. In my opinion, of course. Him surviving detracted from Luke, who undeniably was the main character, succeeding. Good movies, like Pulp Fiction for example, have a lot of characters dying left and right to leave the focus on the main characters. Otherwise, it becomes a joke, like the Phantom Menace. Wouldn't you have felt better if Jar Jar sacrificed himself? 
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Ams Jendob
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No. Jar Jar wasn't the worst part. >_>
I quote the ancient wise man... "Aww, how cute! He's accidentally flying the space ship... I hope he f**king dies!"
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Thomas Heckler
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| Posted: Sat, August 21st 2010 10:19pm Post subject: |
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If I had my way Qui-Gon Jin would have been a wizened old master and Obi-Wan the treading Jedi defying the Council and pushing Anakin toward the dark-side. Han Solo dying at the end would have ultimately proved he was the normal man and that would have given his character closure. Then again, we're talking about Star Wars and severe wounds can be easily healed by a Bacta Tank.
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Ams Jendob
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| Posted: Sat, August 21st 2010 10:40pm Post subject: |
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Unless you're the poor sap wearing body armor. Then everything's a one-hit kill... while the pilot who gets shot in his underwear survives the exact same wound. 
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Bringing closure to a character arc doesn't necessarily mean death. And I am not looking at this like a mathematical equation. All I'm saying is the more characters you have die in a film, the less of an impact each consecutive death will have. And really, ROTJ is the light-hearted ending chapter of the trilogy. Death and destruction does not make a happy or satisfying conclusion. Lucas had the right idea with keeping all the main characters alive - or at least, the main heroes we care about.
And really...did you just compare Pulp Fiction to Star Wars? That's apples and oranges. Two different genres. They're not even close to the same type of story-telling we're talking about here. |
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Ardna Lankin
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Ok, then Dusk Till Dawn, same concepts, different environment and same fantasy genre. If you think about ROTJ it definitely ends with a lot of death and destruction, just not a whole lot of death on the Rebel side. Seems to me thats kind of a lop-sided sacrifice.
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Ams Jendob
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| Posted: Sat, August 21st 2010 11:04pm Post subject: |
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Then I evened it out! 
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| Ardna Lankin wrote: | | Ok, then Dusk Till Dawn, same concepts, different environment and same fantasy genre. If you think about ROTJ it definitely ends with a lot of death and destruction, just not a whole lot of death on the Rebel side. Seems to me thats kind of a lop-sided sacrifice. |
That's because they're the bad guys.  |
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| Morgan ZIM wrote: | | Kyle Fenris wrote: | | Moff, I'm reasonably sure you're not a woman. |
What if it had been his woman characters who were lamenting? |
Le Beauf is too young for Shayera and Riene would likely end up killing him. Maybe Kendra would lament. >_>
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| Shayera Jendob wrote: | | Morgan ZIM wrote: | | Kyle Fenris wrote: | | Moff, I'm reasonably sure you're not a woman. |
What if it had been his woman characters who were lamenting? |
Le Beauf is too young for Shayera and Riene would likely end up killing him. Maybe Kendra would lament. >_> |
... 
I think you just took the off topic thread off topic. 
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Ams Jendob
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| Posted: Thu, August 26th 2010 08:35pm Post subject: |
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Never underestimate the power of the Moff side. 
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Happy, happy, happy!
We're getting more Wraiths!
Yay! Yay! Yay!
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Ams Jendob
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| Posted: Fri, August 27th 2010 08:44am Post subject: |
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...Awww. For a moment, I thought you meant Terran. 
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| Posted: Fri, August 27th 2010 10:06am Post subject: |
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I thought he was talking about Covenant weaponry in Reach...
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Kendra Jendob
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| Posted: Fri, August 27th 2010 10:11am Post subject: |
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...Get the **** out of my division.
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| Posted: Fri, August 27th 2010 10:43am Post subject: |
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You don't even post in your ****ing division!
I like Halo because I enjoy the story.... and I like blowing things up with tanks and aerial vehicles....
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Kendra Jendob
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Well, fine. I'll stop writing the post I'm working on!
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Why do you hate me.......
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Ams Jendob
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| Posted: Fri, August 27th 2010 05:19pm Post subject: |
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For daring to mention that vile, so-called "most anticipated game of 2010" when everyone knows it's StarCraft 2. And then committing a further crime against Holy StarCraft with
| Quote: | | I thought he was talking about Covenant weaponry in Reach... |
Therefore, you shall be fed to elderly grues until you are gummed to death!
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| Posted: Fri, August 27th 2010 08:13pm Post subject: |
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Wow. I check the tab again and find that I started a discussion... just gonna rewind a bit...
| Ams Jendob wrote: | | Palpatine is too freaking awesome to die. |
He was, like, nobody. They only added him (as a Sith and not a politician) so they could have the symbolism of Vader throwing him into the reactor (and thus he really should have stayed dead, even in the EU). Otherwise he could have ended up being a puppet of the moffs or something. It would have been nice if they managed it with Vader rising to power, so that when he turned at Endor it would pretty much end the war.
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heheh, maybe that's where chainmail bikinis come from - making the costume less useful so that it doesn't interfere with the wearer's http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConservationOfNinjutsu?from=Main.ConservationOfNinjitsu ninjutsu... o_0 |
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Ams Jendob
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| Posted: Sat, August 28th 2010 08:20am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Otherwise he could have ended up being a puppet of the moffs or something. |
...I think you're following the strings the wrong way.
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Thomas Heckler
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| Posted: Sat, August 28th 2010 10:25am Post subject: |
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Or, in our case, poorly paid mercenaries distracted by planetary militia and Bloodreavers make excellent cannon fodder for the-devil-doesn't-care gray Jedi.
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Kyle Fenris
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| Posted: Sat, August 28th 2010 12:30pm Post subject: |
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Eh?
That comment kind of came out of nowhere...
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| Posted: Sat, August 28th 2010 01:46pm Post subject: |
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| Kyle Fenris wrote: | Eh?
That comment kind of came out of nowhere... |
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